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huffy_86
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 14/12/2011 : 20:14:52
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Spotted what I though was a large turd in Vaders (MBK) RUB a minute ago, but quickly realised it was a regurge 
I'm fairly new to snake keeping and this is the first regurge I've experienced, and I hope someone more experienced can give me some advice on possible causes and what to do next.
I picked Vader up from our local pet shop (Ameyzoo in Bovingdon, Herts) last wednesday (7th) and gave him a couple of days to settle. I was told he was last fed 1 fuzzie on Sunday (4th) and while he's settling to feed him 2 pinkies the following weekend. Having fed him last Sunday afternoon I haven't handled until this afternoon giving 72 hours to digest. When changing his water this morning I spotted a poop so I cleaned that up before going to work showing that one of the pinkies was digested.
The OH has a corn snake which we bought from the same store in September, and we use a large strip heat mat to heat the two RUBs with only a 3rd of each covered. As we only have one mat the stat we use to control it is based in the corns RUB with max temps ranging between 27-30c and at these our corn is eating 2 pinkies fine, and I know size shouldn't be an issue as he is slightly smaller than Vader our MBK. Admittedly I haven't yet got a thermometer in Vaders RUB *slaps own hand!* which I will be getting tomorrow lunch to make sure his temps are ok, although I wouldn't have though the temp would be any different using the same mat as the corn.
I will check the temps tomorrow once I have a themometer. Is it possible to digest one pinkie and not the other? Was it caused by feeding too soon? I know I need to leave him for 10-14 days to build up his stomach acids again, but when we feed him again should I try 2 pinkies again or try with 1 next time?
Sorry for all the questions! Just a worried MBK owner!! |
0.0.1 MBK - Vader
1.0.0 Carolina Cornsnake - Pablo
James aka Huffy - Watford, Herts |
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Eight
Egg
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Posted - 14/12/2011 : 20:25:11
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| I've never had this issue, but are you sure it was a regurge? It seems strange that its only one while the other was pooped out. I've had some poops that contained more hair than others, I assume this was because the prey was digested quicker. |
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huffy_86
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/12/2011 : 20:34:18
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I'm pretty sure, I gave it a prod with a bit of aspen and it wasn't squishy like poo!! I must say that's what's confused me only having one regurged when we fed him two!
Here's a pic I took of it.
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0.0.1 MBK - Vader
1.0.0 Carolina Cornsnake - Pablo
James aka Huffy - Watford, Herts |
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Eight
Egg
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Posted - 14/12/2011 : 20:43:46
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| Well it certainly looks like a regurge. I would personally leave the little guy for 2 weeks before offering food again, giving his stomach and throat time to relax/heal after that. I may be wrong but its what I've always been told to do. I'm sure next time he will take it and digest it fine. Feed him a larger single item maybe. It wouldn't hurt to check your temps but I dare say they will be the same as the other rub, give or take a degree or 2 |
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huffy_86
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
21 Posts |
Posted - 14/12/2011 : 20:45:50
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| As I said I'm gonna get another thermometer to make sure they're ok. Otherwise the only other thing I can think may have caused it would be stress if I didn't give him enough time to settle before offering food. Although I was a little worried that the pinkie was still fairly intact after 72 hours aswell... maybe that indicates it's temperatures, although I don't understand why the 2 RUBS would be hugely different!?! |
0.0.1 MBK - Vader
1.0.0 Carolina Cornsnake - Pablo
James aka Huffy - Watford, Herts |
Edited by - huffy_86 on 14/12/2011 20:53:25 |
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Gmac
TKS Grumpy Scots Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/12/2011 : 21:29:24
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The poop that you had to clear could well have been from last weeks food that he hadnt fully difested.
It is a regurge but as Eight has said check your temps etc and as both you and eight have said give it at least 10 days before offering food again. I would offer a single larger pinkie next feed then if all goes well move him back onto fuzzies.
We have 8 snakes sharing a mat with no problems, however they are all corns and need the same temps. Your mexi black and corn both have different heating requirements, your corn max's out at 30 whereas your mexi black may likes it that bit hotter upto about 33 deg C. May look at the fact the mat is set for your corns temps 27-30 where your king may prefer it that bit warmer.
My opinion in sharing mats is its fine so long as the heating requirements are the same for each snake, if there are differing temp requirements it may be better looking at another stat and mat.
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9.6 Corns, 1.0 Bci, 2.1 Royals, 1.1 king snakes, 0.0.1 milksnake, 1.1 black rat snakes, 1.2 Beardies, 1.0 shovelface
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huffy_86
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/12/2011 : 22:19:08
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| Hmm I think you're probably right on the temps. looking at how much the pinky was digested after 72 hours it should have completely gone by then i would have thought. Looks like I will be investing in a new stat and mat tomorrow lunchtime! |
0.0.1 MBK - Vader
1.0.0 Carolina Cornsnake - Pablo
James aka Huffy - Watford, Herts |
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Eight
Egg
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Posted - 14/12/2011 : 22:22:28
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| Very good point about the heating requirements for different species. Didn't even think about a MBK being a more southern species :/ |
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huffy_86
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/12/2011 : 00:04:34
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| I don't think it helped me handling him today with what I thought was an empty belly! |
0.0.1 MBK - Vader
1.0.0 Carolina Cornsnake - Pablo
James aka Huffy - Watford, Herts |
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Gmac
TKS Grumpy Scots Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/12/2011 : 00:19:16
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| dont think it had anything to do with the handling, theres so many reasons for a regurge. Lets just hope it was a one off |
9.6 Corns, 1.0 Bci, 2.1 Royals, 1.1 king snakes, 0.0.1 milksnake, 1.1 black rat snakes, 1.2 Beardies, 1.0 shovelface
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huffy_86
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
21 Posts |
Posted - 15/12/2011 : 17:33:35
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Just spoken to the supplier where he was picked up from to get his thoughts given that his shop has won various awards, but was surprised to hear him tell me he thought it was because Vader got too hot rather than being too cold.
The two RUBs we have are on top of a chest of drawers which are next to a radiator on the wall. Would this be causing any problems? |
0.0.1 MBK - Vader
1.0.0 Carolina Cornsnake - Pablo
James aka Huffy - Watford, Herts |
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Eight
Egg
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Posted - 15/12/2011 : 18:12:40
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| The only way to tell would be to measure the temps. I would suggest moving the rubs away from the rad though. |
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Possible regurge?!?
